In this no-holds-barred conversation, hear from two journalist/filmmakers who have successfully navigated the PBS universe of programs to bring their work to PBS audiences. Three-time Emmy nominee Bernardo Ruiz, director of Kingdom of Shadows and El Equipo, and Kim Haas, host and producer of Afro-Latino Travels, talk about the choice to work with PBS, about the network’s standards and practices, and about remaining true to their artistic visions.